Talk:Catherine of Valois

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Allene Stone Gano Hughes, mother of Airman Howard R. Hughes, Jr., is a descendant of Catherine of Valois, Dowager Queen of England, by second husband Owen Tudor. ^[1] ^[2] Aldebaran69's information removed. No references cited otherwise. Please provide sources in future. Thank you for honoring rules.

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^ Tombo do Guarda-Mór Guarda-Mór-Edição de Publicações Multimédia, Lda Lisboa, 2000
^ Howard Robard Hughes Jr

John 76.182.220.150 (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have concerns about the sources in this article - see the following footnote "Mary Tudor b. 1432: With sourced Ancestry of Owen Tudor, as daughter of Owen Tudor and Catherine De Valois; and Mary Tudor's daughter Jane Gray lived 1475-1509, earlier Jane than Jane Grey who was daughter of the later Mary Tudor, sister of Henry VIII) at http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?tid=3071280&pid=-1716367594"

Firstly, Jane Grey (the 9 days queen) was the GRANDDAUGHTER of Mary Tudor, not the daughter. This glaring factual error makes me wonder if the other claim is true, particularly as I have not seen it before - namely that Owen Tudor and Catherine of Valois had a daughter called Mary.

The source the writer gives for this claim is a subscription service ancestry.com which requires credit card details even for a free trial.

I object to this - the contemporary source for the claim that a daughter Mary existed should either be given in the article or else on a website that the public can access. Otherwise, since I have never seen this claim before, I can give no credence to it.

Please contact the author and ask them to supply proper verification for their claim, and also to correct the error about Jane Grey. Clearly she cannot be Mary Tudor's daughter - Mary Tudor married Charles Brandon and her two daughters Frances and Eleanor had the surname Brandon. Frances married Henry Grey, therefore her daughter Jane (and Catherine and Mary) had the surname Grey.

12:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC) Welys

"common ancestry?"

It has been suggested that Henry ordered her memorial to be removed to distance himself from his common ancestry.

This doesn't really make sense -- Catherine was pure royalty! How would her tomb remind people of his common ancestry? --Jfruh (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed 'common' to 'illegitimate'. She wasn't married to Owen Tudor when she bore his sons. I've also removed the part about the second 'marriage' because it appears to be a Tudor invention to grant Henry VII's reign legitimacy.

On the the descent from William the conqueror it says that Henry III is the son of John I and Isabella of Gloucester, but wasn’t his mother Isabella of Angoulême? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.62.20.219 (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent with the Owen Tudor page

On the Owen Tudor page it mentions John Beaufort as the man Catherine was planning to marry:

"Queen Catherine, upon being denied permission by her son's regents to wed John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset, allegedly said upon leaving court, "I shall marry a man so basely, yet gently born, that my lord regents may not object.""

On the Catherine of Valois page it says it was Edmund Beaufort:

"Catherine was still young and might wish to remarry which concerned the Protector, the king's uncle, Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester. Rumours abounded that Catherine planned to marry Edmund Beaufort, Count of Mortain, her late husband's cousin."

Did she intend to marry both of them? That seems unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.105.23 (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Tombo do Guarda-Mór Guarda-Mór-Edição de Publicações Multimédia, Lda Lisboa, 2000

[2] Howard Robard Hughes Jr

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